The ‘hadya’ of the Hajj

It seems to be ‘hajj’ season in Quranology Discussions (no pun intended) where Wakas asked for opinions on his view of 2/196. Interestingly, the question of the hadya came up, by Imraan Goondiwala:

A question about the “offerings”. Have you checked the few occurrences of the root which are usually translated as offerings and gifts to see if the understanding of guidance fit at all? They appear only in relation to hajj and the interaction between Solomon and the queen in chapter 27, as far as I know. Both these contexts seem to be capable of being understood in terms of guidance.

I wouldn’t say that the queen gave Sulaiman guidance in a spiritual sense. She gave him something to ‘guide’ him to invoke the right response from him maybe. So a hadya is something which ‘guides’ towards achieving the goal, which is the hajj.

Jumma is the salat of the Hajj?

Our very own Imraan Goondiwala brought up this question in Quranology Discussions:

I have heard that there is opinion out there that the salat of al jumuah may refer to salat at the time of hajj. Does anybody know of any material on this opinion?

Well i’ve never read any opinion of this myself. I havent even seen any aya which links salat and hajj. Is the hajj the gathering or the overcoming of the challenge (hajj) which then gives u the capacity to call ‘with the hajj’ (bil hajj, see 22/27)?

Hajj in Makkah – It’s Finally Out

After a long period of debate and having to bear with the provocative language of my opponent, he has finally told me why he believes Hajj is in Makkah:

Farouk, no need to joggle about, just accept the FACT that you having problem proving your homemade CHALLENGE which just contradict, make NO sense whatsoever. Sorry I shouldn’t be asking something which beyond any corrupters ability. Anyway…, your home made word make me laugh.Here is an example /story :=> Say, someone ask me, what is “Muhammed” that mention in the Quran, So I reply to him, it’s understood wrongly by everyone, there is NO such person call/ name Muhammed. But Muhammed is just an attribute or nick name of AHMED. The term Muhammed is more or less mean “love/compassion”, therefore no such thing as Muhammed ever existed as prophet, in-fact it was the Prophet/Messenger Ahmed [pbuh].

=> After I made such lunatic CLAIM, I don’t give him any further evidence, since I don’t have much, Save asking him counter question thinking that my question is hard for him to refute, but what I didn’t realize, them tricky question is NOT, that Hard as I thought, its only hard to me, because I blocked my mind on such home made garbage which I borrowed from another lunatic.

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So my dear, Hajj to Makkah is not that tricky question as you think. Neither I need to invent new Quran. But you have already invented new Quran, among your Quranist corrupters group[ by playing with rootWord] to justify your action, but TOO BAD you didn’t published it yet, may because you are terrified of the consequences/backfire?

SO MY DEAR INSTEAD OF WASTING TIME HERE, WHY NOT GO BACK AND PROVE, YOU ARE NOT ANOTHER LIARS ?

My opponent is basically saying, the terms in the Quran are already known, hence there is no need to prove things which are already known. Here is my response:In other words, I’ll need to accept your fake sources before I can understand that there IS hajj to makkah. So you’re not Quran-alone, Miah. You’re a fake or perhaps you are deluded at best. Here is the Miah technique for understanding the Quran. I know cuz I was exactly in the same boat:

1. Read popular translations of the Quran…oops , I mean the Quran

2. Find ONE word from the Quran, lets say ‘hajj’ and then say ‘oh ok, this is hajj’, it must refer to the same ‘hajj’ Muslims do. Because that’s what my criteria REALLY is. What Muslims do’.

Here’s the problem with this technique. It doesn’t take into account context at all. Lets start with the first contradiction (among MANY, got a long ride ahead, brother):

And proclaim to MANKIND with the Hajj; they will come to you on foot and on every lean camel; they will come from every distant pass (22/27)

Do we see that happening in makkah? Or does the Saudi government make sure you have a ‘Muslim name’ or took your Sunni shahadah before? The Makkah hajj is only for people who follow Sunnism or Shiaism. It has nothing to do with the Quranic version.

Your hajj in Makkah has nothing to do with the Quran. It only uses the same names. This is why its crucial for you to understand. Reading translations is NOT reading the Quran. The Quran has an intricate linguistic system which filters out falsehood.

My opponent was only thinking he was ‘quran alone’. Actually he is ‘quran plus whatever practices exists even though I never witnessed the orig