Dividing the Deen, dividing the Ummah and Sects

Here is a thread about Dividing the Deen, dividing the Ummah and Sects on Refuting Quranists and Modernists Page

My reply:
1. It has been narrated on the authority of ‘Arfaja who said: I have heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: Different evils will make their appearance in the near future. Anyone who tries to disrupt the affairs of this Umma while they are united you should strike him with the sword whoever he be. (If remonstrance does not prevail with him and he does not desist from his disruptive activities, he is to be killed.)
[Muslim :: Book 20 : Hadith 4565]

Contradicts this one:
(1) Narrated ‘Abdullah: Allah’s Apostle said, “The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims.” (Book #83, Hadith #17)

Because according to the 2nd hadith there are only 3 cases for “shedding blood of a Muslim”

But in any case they both contradict the Quran.

*To kill a person or to spare/save a life?*
See Quran 5:30-5:32

*How can the adulterer marry if they have been killed?*
see Quran 24:3

*No force to believe*
see Quran 10:99

Quranism is not a sect, it’s an approach. Sorry. There are lots of articles about why Quranism is not a sect and what is a sect on the Quranists.net website. If you define a sect as having a differing opinion about something then even the 4 madhabs within Sunni islam would be sects. But they are just differences of opinion. And Sects are only sects because of the mentality of “We are right and you are wrong” . If everybody just agreed that we all believe in 1 God, Allah and we are all doing our genuine best to do what He wants us to do, then we should all get along fine. It’s actually only when ppl start judging others instead of letting ppl just get on with it that there is tension or division. If you actually look into this you will be intrigued. Please let me know if you want the links.

I actually like that people have different opinions, and ponder and think about stuff instead of following blindly. It’s quranic in fact.
17:36 for example talks about checking before you act, 23:68 is a good one too about pondering / reflecting on the words.

Are you saying “dividing the Ummah” is the same as “dividing the deen” ? I think discussing what “dividing the deen” is would be a good one to look at. Do you have a Quran ref for “dividing the ummah?” I was thinking that dividing the deen was when ppl take parts of the scripture to uphold and leave the rest for example narrowing islam down to 5 pillars for example or saying marriage is half the deen and cleanliness is the other half… seems a little simplistic. But again that is just one way of looking at it. As yet I find it very difficult to see how accepting the WHOLE Quran as the sole divine source of islam could be considered a sectarian mindset. In fact I thought accepting the WHOLE Quran was something that unites all muslims whatever their approach, school of thought etc.

Salaam Aleykum


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