Commands to ‘Say’ in The Quran

A third of the Qur’an is “qul” “say” Allah telling Muhammad specifically what to say . Then there is MORE of the Qur’an telling him what to do and saying what he did. Then there are over 300 occurrences in the Qur’an of Allah addressing the opposers/enemies/rejecters/ungrateful/kaffars .. quoting what they say and what they do and what Muhammad and the believers should say and do with ALL variations of “non Muslims” and in ALL different circumstances that we will encounter with them.

How is it possible that a people who actually claim to believe in Allah, His messengers, and the Message are saying “those who take the quran alone as the guide and law of Allah are kaffireen who reject Rasulullah”? I assure you, that which Allah wanted to make known to us about Muhammad and much more importantly, what He wanted to make know to us about EVERYTHING in terms of law and guidance is in the quran, as our Rab and His Rasul have already clearly stated in the Qur’an. Believe it or not , you don’t have to sort through books thst contain part truth and part lies and blasphemous tales in order to obey Allah and the Messenger, you have to go to what was revealed unto him, the book which hypocrites BEGGED him to changed and he triumphantly refused for fear of returning to misguidance. At times he was even anxious wanting a verse to come down and Allah reminded him to be patient and that Allah sends it down when He pleases. The Qur’an, that which muhammad obeyed and dedicated his life to spreading it. This is the only thing that Muhammad testifies to warning the people with in the Qur’an. We certainly have sufficient accounts of what the Rasul followed and how to follow him in the Qur’an.

Furthermore there are manners, rights, laws and punishments, knowledge of the life of this world and the after, sufficient warnings and parables, and the accuracte and sufficient accounts of the prophets and messengers of Allah that He chose to reveal to us.

Siluman Angkasa’s Take on Salaat


I want to share my simple research about Salaat. And i hope if i’m wrong, somebody can correct me . I like debate. But i don’t like it because it will cause me blood pressure. . So i think, we just to ‘research’. No debate.

My fundamental about Salaat is base on verse 17:110-111. Which is a dialog between God, prophet, to people. You can see the Arabic Grammar, singular, plural, etc.


Prophet Says: “(YOU – PLURAL – PEOPLE) Call upon Allah, or (YOU – PLURAL – PEOPLE) call upon Rahman: by whatever name ye call upon Him, (it is well): for to Him belong the Most Beautiful Names.

GOD Says: Neither speak YOUR (SINGLULAR – PROPHET) Salaat aloud, nor speak it in a low tone, but seek a middle course between.”


Prophet Says: “Praise be to Allah, who begets no son, and has no partner in (His) dominion: Nor (needs) He any to protect Him from humiliation.

GOD says: yea, (YOU – SINGULAR – PROPHET) magnify Him for His greatness and glory!”

–> This verses for me is a fundamental of Salaat. Which means, the purpose of Salaat is to remove Shirk from the mindset of people or believers.


3:39 While he was standing in Salaat in the chamber (Mihrab), the angels called unto him: “(Allah) doth give thee glad tidings of Yahya, witnessing the truth of a Word from Allah, and (be besides) noble, chaste, and a prophet,- of the (goodly) company of the righteous.”

Salaat in this verse on its context is about connection between servant and God. The prayer is not Salaat, but prayer is Du’aa. And then, the Salaat is a link to Du’aa (prayer).

Man -> Salaat (link) -> Du’aa (prayer).


For example, another sides of Call Upon, Allah used Naadaa 21:89, 62:9.


9:103 Of their goods, take alms, that so thou mightest purify and sanctify them; and pray on their behalf. Verily YOUR SALAAT are a source of security for them: And Allah is One Who heareth and knoweth.

11:87 They said: “O Shu’aib! Does thy Salaat command thee that we leave off the worship which our fathers practised, or that we leave off doing what we like with our property? truly, thou art the one that forbeareth with faults and is right- minded!”

62:9 O ye who believe! When the call is proclaimed to Salaat on the Day of Assembly, hasten earnestly to the Remembrance of Allah, and leave off business (and traffic): That is best for you if ye but knew!

62:11 But when they see some bargain or some amusement, they disperse headlong to it, and leave YOU (PROPHET – SINGULAR) STANDING. Say: “The (blessing) from the Presence of Allah is better than any amusement or bargain! and Allah is the Best to provide (for all needs).”

Note: For me, Sunni only Salaat at once only on Friday Surmon.


5;6 O ye who believe! when ye WAKE UP/ARISE (QUM) for Salaat, wash your faces, and your hands (and arms) to the elbows; Rub your heads; and your feet to the ankles.

Every people when the arise/wake up from the bed, they will wash thier face in the night or early morning. And sometimes they will wash thier hair also.

See the next verse:


74:2 Arise/Wake up (QUM) and deliver thy warning!


73:2 Stand/Arise/Wake up (QUM) by night, but not all night,-


If we call it RITUAL so, this verse also RITUAL ??? see…

74:4 And thy garments keep free from stain!

This is NOT RITUAL…Rasul not make it ritual, but ACTUAL…like eating, drinking, sleeping, talking, combating etc.

No rukoook sujoood ritual…just rukook sujood actual:


38:24 and David gathered that We had tried him: he asked forgiveness of his Lord, fell down, bowing (RUKOOK), and turned (to Allah in repentance).


25:60 When it is said to them, “SUJOOD ye ((Allah)) Most Gracious!”, they say, “And what is ((Allah)) Most Gracious? Shall we SUJOOD that which thou commandest us?” And it increases their flight (from the Truth).

Verse 25:60, i believe Rasool Salaat to his people, but no rukook sujood ritual, but actual.


Tasbih Time, 20:130. 50:39, 30:18 is near to Salaat Time.

Salaat Time for me is near to Working Time (Government) or Daily Time for your activities (Commitments).

And, I repeat, the verse of 17:110-111 we cannot read it in english translation, but better in arabic text. Because you will know who is singular, who is plural. And you will know Rasool is praying or JUST call upon his people like Syu’aib 11:87.


And the rest, Salaat is generally refer to the Obligation, commitment, service, join, support, etc. 107:5-7.70:19-25. etc.


Parwez’s Understanding of the Servants of Ar-Rahmaan

25:62 He is the One who designed the night and the day to alternate: a sufficient proof for those who wish to take heed, or to be appreciative.,

25:63 The servants of the Gracious who walk on the earth in humility and if the ignorant speak to them, they say, “Peace.”

25:64 and who remember their Sustainer far into the night, prostrating themselves and standing;

25:65 and who pray: O our Sustainer, avert from us the suffering of hell – for, verily, the suffering caused by it is bound to be a torment dire:

25:66 verily, how evil an abode and a station!
62. And that God has made arrangements in the outer universe that night and day succeed each other, and that light continues to follow darkness. (Similarly, in the human world, He has made arrangements that no nation would remain in darkness forever and that the light of Wahi should reach everyone.) Whoever wants to follow the right path in the light of Wahi should be able to do so and thus receive full reward for his efforts and deeds.

63. When those who accede to obeying Ar-Rehman are empowered on this earth, their state does not become a symbol of oppression and exploitation. They even walk gently and live in harmony and peace. And they also provide peace and tranquility to other people (3:138; 31:17-18; 22:41).They do so to the extent that even when they come across people who personify the characteristics of Jahlia (pre-Islamic era) such as ignorance, bigotry, enmity, fierceness, wickedness, excitability, in return they show them true Islamic qualities (of peace, open heartedness, leniency and generosity).

64.These are the people who after a long day at work and in the late hours of the night, ponder in solitude about where they should bow in submission and when to partake in the establishment of the Divine Order (3:19; 73:24-26).

65.Their only wish in this entire struggle is that they should be safe from the chastisement which, in an unjust system, follows every human being who has gone astray.

66.As an abode and station, whether some one stays there for a short while or permanently, it is a wretched place; (for a short while in this world and forever in the world hereafter).

Ibrahimi Qurani: Two Major Problems with Quranists

I think two major problems that the Quranist community has are Occidentalism and extreme anti-traditionalism (best seen as a form of anti-establishmentarianism) I would define Occidentalism as extreme love, bias and favoring of Western society, trends, cultures and scholarship. I find that many Quranists really want to be more Western and stay Muslim than anything else. Unfortunately, some of this Western style liberalism also involves an acceptance of moral decay as long as it is done in a civilized way, and this is clearly against the Quran. Occidentalism also includes favoring western style scholarship (which is often fraudulent in my opinion) concerning the Arabic language, Islamic history (orientalist tendencies that often seems to disparage Islam) and the need to look to Western Civilization, and not within Islam and/or logic to solve some of the problems in the Muslim community.

Part of this modern style of Occidentalism also involves thinking that homosexuality and feminism are okay, as well as a complete rejection of traditional (and sometimes very textually based) religious based gender ideals and lifestyles. Western style Athiesm and anti-religious thought (anti-establishmentarianism and anti-organized religion) also seem to be, ironically, quite alive in the Quranist community.

This leads to the second problem I see which is extreme anti-traditionalism. This has led to some Quranists thinking that Islam needs to be entirely reworked in a way that creates a “modern” religion for a “modern” people. Some of this is born out of hate from the rejection felt by us questioners when we question our many established Islamic sects. I myself have felt strong rejection from many established sects as a Quranist and just as a sincere questioner. But each sect has to be judged according to its tenets and the reactions of its people. Traditionally Islam is full of many sects and some have not made it to the present day. To reject all traditional Islamic scholarship on issues in the Quran is extreme and wrong. Just like rejecting and disdaining clothing and other traditions within Islam that may not be exactly Quranic but aren’t unquranic and have a positive intent behind them is also extreme and wrong. Part of this modern Occidentalism also includes claims that Salaat is not physical prayer, the abstractification of our religion in general, and thinking that rituals are worthless and the only things worthwhile in any religion are physical actions that positively affect other physical people (this is a form of Western philanthropist materialism).

Western society has been anti-Islamic since 800 AD when the Moors first moved into Europe. And although sometimes misguided we will mostly find that Islamic traditions are more in spirit with the Quran than Western traditions, not counting the more extreme tendencies as we can find these tendencies in Islamic and Western societies. Also this extreme anti-traditonalism has led some Quranists to reject the traditional scholarship on even the Arabic language, thinking that through self-serving Western methodologies they can discover the ‘true’ meanings intentionally shrouded by some evil traditionalists of the past who hijacked the religion of the Quran and even hijacked the Arabic language. The racist things that have been said about the Persians and even Arabs in an effort to broad-brush all Muslims of the past in an evil light is unjust and an atrocity, to tell the truth.

Is a Persian Muslim scholar automatically an agent of previous anti-islamic Persian empires, because he is Persian? Are all Arab Muslim scholars agents of Jahiliyyah motives passed on to them by their fathers and mothers who hated the last prophet (saas)? To think so is nonsense. So whereas I don’t agree with every Muslim tradition and I don’t believe that hadeeth have any religious authority, I know better than to try to claim that the entire Classical Arabic language has been corrupted or to reject all traditional Islamic traditions just because many of our Muslim brothers and sisters may be misguided in their mentality and idea of our deen. The linguistic issue has proved to be more complex and difficult for many Muslims (and even Arabs) to understand. And to be honest if you don’t have a grip on language you don’t have a grip on anything. I have seen much fabrication as a cover for ignorance from Quranists and this is the last thing that I expected from Quranists. But the anti-traditionalism has blocked many Quranist minds from being able to open up the dusty books in traditional Muslims’ closets and bring the hard knowledge to them, correcting their misconceptions and abuses.

You may not have to cover your head or wear a Kufi, but isn’t modesty, and being identified as a follower of the Quran a good thing? Would you rather associate yourselves with atheists and clear idolators? Because as misguided as most Muslims may be about the deen of the Quran, if anything they are not clear idolators or atheists. When we boil our idols down to fear, fear of the group, love of the group, greed, lust, hate, love, money, pride or personality worship we all have issues with that. But Quranists are starting to make the West and Western Civilization their idols despite the Quran just as traditional Muslims have made their traditions and civilizations their idols despite the Quran.