Salat thread on QRAC

Quran Based Jummah Announcements

Thank you to Tatiana for this Announcement:

AsA everyone!!!! So sorry for the late notice, I got a little caught up with life… inshAllah, tomorrow we will be holding two Jummah sessions on Paltalk!!! Chatroom location is here: The chat will be open tomorrow and while it is open you can easily find this chat room in paltalk.

First session is at ****10:30AM GMT*********

Second session is at ******20:00PM GMT****** (4PM EST)

Please join us tomorrow at either or BOTH times!!!!

*After tomorrow, we will be changing the name of the Jummah room to Quran Based Jummah, but the link will not change, it will be the same room, same link.

Salamun alaikum and good night all.

Additional from Imraan: Here is a short note that could be helpful if read before the Jummah talk on “What is Quran and how do we implement it?” on Friday.


more useful links

Quranists Network

Quranists Network Facebook groups


Three or Five prayers in the Quran?

A good question in QRAC

Three or Five prayers in the Qur’an? Tell me what you all think and why. How many prayers do you observe, what times, and where does the Qur’an support your thought? Please be polite to each other because this is a touchy and personal subject. Thanks!

my reply:

What does Salat mean?

In Traditional Islam “Salat” means the Ritual Prayer which I am guessing most ppl here are familiar with – apologies if that is not the case.

In Quranism, some Quranists agree that “Salat” means ritual prayer. The ritual prayer may look similar but certain speech parts may be omitted from this, such as the “Tashahhud” . Some ppl question the number of Rakats and the strict sequence of standing bowing and prostrations.

Other Quranists believe that Salat means something else – maybe their own personal interpretation based on how the concept of Salat is described in context in the Quran and how the Quranic Arabic uses the verbs and nouns of words coming from the root of “Salat”. There are neverending discussions about this in QD and people are researching and contributing to discussions about it all the time.

The salats mention by name in the Quran are Salat al Fajr, and Salat al Isha, Which are commonly taken to mean Dawn Prayer and Isha Prayer or Dawn Salat and Isha Salat. Some do not even take Fajr to mean Dawn as a time of day – more of a metaphorical interpretation based on what the root word of the FAJR suggests. Each question raises new questions. It can be as in depth or as easy as you want, really! The easy way is to let someone else interpret for you!

There is also a Salat al wusta mentioned – again some people take this to be a time of day (wusta being often translated as the Middle Prayer) and others take it in a more metaphorical sense (“the prayer from the midmost of your soul” for example) or the “salat from within” .

24:58 ṣalati l-fajri,
24:58 ṣalati l-ʿishāi.

2:238 wal-ṣalati l-wus’ṭā,

Times of day in Quran:

Hope that helps, inshaaAllah. Not my intention to confuse or mislead – we all should verify everything ourselves. (see 17:36)

Here is the link to QD for more indepth discussions about Salat

This link is very interesting:

Some Dua’s:

When something gets complicated it’s probably because we are trying too hard! The answer is probably really obvious, it’s just that we can’t see for looking! It does not help that the traditions and hadiths have clouded our judgement and perceptions.

Update: This page is a list of different Quranist’s perspectives / articles about Salat

How DO We Perform a Ritual?

was asked in QRAC today by Imraan who, like myself, does not believe in a divinely ordained ritual salat:

I have the honour of being visited by a brother who has travelled 1000km to learn the basics of islam from a quran only perspective rather than subjecting himself to the lunacies of the traditional islamic authorities in his area. He reverted based on Quran only.

He wants to learn the prayer, but since I don’t view salat as prayer, I would like some input on how those of you who consider salat to be prayer as to how you do such prayer from a Quran only perspective.

I look forward to your comments so that I can demonstrate the options to him

If you asked me, I would say that if one wants to perform a ritual, just follow the Traditional one. As long as it fulfils the function..

Ritual Salat should end with Sajda!

A very good point was raised by Imraan in Quranology Discussions today:

Just been wondering about something.

In 4:102, it is indicated that the salat ends with sujood.

To those who accept salat as prayer, do you end your prayer with a prostration or do you consider this to be only relevant for the conditions described in the relevant passage?

Also, are there any people out there who have experienced the relevant conditions, and if so how did you end your prayer under those circumstances?

A very good point indeed. The Traditional ritual ends with sitting and reading the tashahud.