Responses to Critics – responding to Sheikh Feiz

Sheikh Feiz’s video, called “The Quranists – The Importance of The Path of Rasulullah”  has invited some reactions from the Quranist community. Although Sheikh Feiz received a mixture of ad-hominem attacks and disapproval on his original Youtube video comments, the points Sheikh Feiz makes in his attack on Quranists in his video are  addressed and discussed methodically in these well-evidenced rebuttals. This 3 part video responding to Sheikh Feiz’s claims on the Quranists Network TV Channel (QNet TV) leaves no stone unturned. This blog post is another refutation of SheikhFeiz’s allegations.

Dividing the Deen, dividing the Ummah and Sects

Here is a thread about Dividing the Deen, dividing the Ummah and Sects on Refuting Quranists and Modernists Page

My reply:
1. It has been narrated on the authority of ‘Arfaja who said: I have heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: Different evils will make their appearance in the near future. Anyone who tries to disrupt the affairs of this Umma while they are united you should strike him with the sword whoever he be. (If remonstrance does not prevail with him and he does not desist from his disruptive activities, he is to be killed.)
[Muslim :: Book 20 : Hadith 4565]

Contradicts this one:
(1) Narrated ‘Abdullah: Allah’s Apostle said, “The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims.” (Book #83, Hadith #17)

Because according to the 2nd hadith there are only 3 cases for “shedding blood of a Muslim”

But in any case they both contradict the Quran.

*To kill a person or to spare/save a life?*
See Quran 5:30-5:32

*How can the adulterer marry if they have been killed?*
see Quran 24:3

*No force to believe*
see Quran 10:99

Quranism is not a sect, it’s an approach. Sorry. There are lots of articles about why Quranism is not a sect and what is a sect on the website. If you define a sect as having a differing opinion about something then even the 4 madhabs within Sunni islam would be sects. But they are just differences of opinion. And Sects are only sects because of the mentality of “We are right and you are wrong” . If everybody just agreed that we all believe in 1 God, Allah and we are all doing our genuine best to do what He wants us to do, then we should all get along fine. It’s actually only when ppl start judging others instead of letting ppl just get on with it that there is tension or division. If you actually look into this you will be intrigued. Please let me know if you want the links.

I actually like that people have different opinions, and ponder and think about stuff instead of following blindly. It’s quranic in fact.
17:36 for example talks about checking before you act, 23:68 is a good one too about pondering / reflecting on the words.

Are you saying “dividing the Ummah” is the same as “dividing the deen” ? I think discussing what “dividing the deen” is would be a good one to look at. Do you have a Quran ref for “dividing the ummah?” I was thinking that dividing the deen was when ppl take parts of the scripture to uphold and leave the rest for example narrowing islam down to 5 pillars for example or saying marriage is half the deen and cleanliness is the other half… seems a little simplistic. But again that is just one way of looking at it. As yet I find it very difficult to see how accepting the WHOLE Quran as the sole divine source of islam could be considered a sectarian mindset. In fact I thought accepting the WHOLE Quran was something that unites all muslims whatever their approach, school of thought etc.

Salaam Aleykum

Adding to Mohammad Shaikhs Video on 16/44

Traditionalist Muslims are very fond of using 16/44 claiming that ‘that you make clear’ (litubayyina) shows that we must follow hadith. Mr Shaikh clears up this misconception in his video.  I also suggested in his IIPC group to use 16/64 to answer them.

Adding to Mr Shaikh’s Video on 53/3-4

In this video, Mr Shaikh answers Traditionalists who say that 53/3-4 implies that te Prophet was inspired at all times. He brilliantly uses 6/19 to show that this is clearly not the case. I suggested using 10/15 as well.

Is Mohammad Shaikh a Hadith Rejector?

Apparently, this video tries to imply he isn’t! I have known Mr Shaikh for the last 13 years and I have never known him to use hadith. To the Sunnis, this IS rejecting hadith. You don’t need to speak out against hadith. It’s enough for the Sunnis that you don’t accept their hadith.

Refuting Quranists and Modernists

A page was created a few days ago to ‘refute quranists and modernists’. Sadly, the arguments have thus far been quite lacking. Perhaps you guys can discuss with these lovely folks on their page.

Kicking & Hitting

I saw this comment today on this FB thread

My Apartment is next to a Big Mosque in our Residential area in Dhaka, Bangladesh. So I can hear Five Times Adan for Five Times Daily Salat. I am from a Muslim Majority country.
I know I would be out of this Muslim country soon for Australia. I will Not be able to hear such Adan in Australia often. Just I can attend the Friday Salat: Jummah only in Australian Mosque with Muslims from so many Muslim countries. I did the same in the USA too.

No “Quranists & ” Quranology” will dare to say that there is “No Five Times Daily Salat” in the Quran.
Every person in the Streets of Bangladesh will start Kicking & Hitting him/ her with everything.
No body will have the Courage to utter such Blasphemy word or speech on the very Fundamentals of Islam, Holy Quran and the Sunnah of our Prophet. Straight they would kill such persons without any consideration.They are Not Intellectuals or big people like us. They are the commoners and use their fists to eliminate the Enemies of Islam this way ! 
Sorry for their Reaction to the Insult of their Religion !!

It would be interesting to analyse why there would be such a reaction to such a statement. It makes me wonder… What is blasphemy? How does the Quran view blasphemy? Is “kicking and hitting”  prescribed by “Islam”? Is is prescribed by the Quran? What does the Quran say about freedom of speech? What does the Quran say about the “Sunnah of the Prophet”?
What does the Quran say about killing people without any consideration?    I wonder if the people of Bangladesh would be pleased to be presented in such a light and have such a spokesperson making these remarks on their behalf. Apart from the generalisation and the bigoted, condescending remarks made here about them, (not to mention the misrepresentation of islam as described by the Quran) it would appear that ignorance is the perfect excuse for socially unacceptable behaviour, no matter where you are from and no matter where you live. Maybe it is time for things to change.

I was reminded of a Supernanny video  (skip to 5 mins 20)  It might help with the “hitting and kicking” problem if the technique is used at a young enough age.