Refuting the Hadith on the Offensive Jihaad

Very few Muslims have seen this particular hadith:

Narrated Ibn Umar Allah’s Apostle said: “I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah’s Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their blood and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah.”  (Book #2, Hadith #24)

Let us be very clear, here, the messenger of Allah, Muhammad ibn Abdullah, whom the Quran calls ‘the mercy to the worlds’ (as Traditionalists often tell us) said he was commanded to FIGHT THE PEOPLE (qatil an-naas) till the confess the shahada, pray and give zakat. If they do so, their BLOOD and property will be safe from him. The exception to this is Islamic law and their final reckoning.

Isn’t this a clear case of compulsion in religion? Fighting the people till they perform some tenets of Traditional Islam. There is no also doubt the extent of this war is also without any doubt – blood and property can be compromised if one doesn’t comply.

There is no need expound further on this hadith. It is clearly the biggest contradiction to the Quran there is! We Quranists need to call upon our Traditionalist cousins to question their scholars to remove this hadith and its similar types from hadith collections.

Marrying a Revert

Here is a question about Marrying a Revert on Yahoo Answers

This is the question:

I want to marry a ” reverted to islam ” girl ?

i am a muslim guy and i always had a dream of marrying a ” revert to islam ” girl from another culture for so many reasons , i believe that reverted are the most believer of islam , i envy them , sure iam grateful to God i was born as a muslim but i see that reverted had the chance to choose they leave there old life and pay a high cost and face alot of Obstacles in there way to become a muslim , i know its a very great feeling to choose islam and work for it , i wish i was reverted and choose islam by myself , but iam grateful to god for what iam anyway ,also as i can see from few friends its the best to have a Partner from another culture , the relationship is very very richso my question is : my dream is that i want to marry a reverted girl from different culture but it seem that it is diffcult to meet and know anyone in my country as i live already in a muslim country ” Egypt ” , i think it the time to marry now , so do i keep looking for what i want or i just stop looking and just marry a muslim girl from my country ?

also am i wronge and shallow in this thinking ? to put these rules in my searching ? or iam right to try to find what i dream of ,what i want and what i see it the best or me or what ?

what do u think ? also if u have any ideas about where i can meet reverted girl tell me ?

My reply:

Salaam Aleykum
There are thousands of Reverts and Converts to Islam. You just have to know where to look! One of the risky things though about Reverts / Converts is that they are undergoing an intense spiritual journey and learning about Quran and Islam. The danger of studying the Quran is that it highlights how much out of sync SOME OF the hadiths are with the Quran. This inevitably leads to the Revert being very wary of hadiths in general and wanting to verify their authenticity and authority. When they study the Quran, this leads to them having some insight about islam as described by the Quran itself which may appear to be VERY different from Islam taught in some Traditional circles which is often very much hadith based. So if you have your heart set on marrying a revert, you may wish to consider finding out more about the Quranist approach to islam which is one of the naturally preferred approaches for Reverts and Converts AFTER they have become disillusioned with contradictions and dogma within Traditional Islam. No offense intended. Just trying to give the best advice I can, inshaaAllah, speaking as a Quranist Revert myself. (I am already married btw) Also bear in mind possible language barriers and / or possible differences in culture, if the revert is from a different country. It may seem exotic at first but once the novelty wears off, you may find it difficult to bridge the gaps. If you meet someone, who fills the criteria of being a Revert Muslimah, be honest, sincere and realistic about your expectations of her as a future wife and find out hers about you as a future husband. Be very aware that Reverts (new ones especially) on a spiritual journey may not yet have settled into 1 closed set of defined beliefs and may still be seeking the truth and their beliefs can evolve with time. Changes of beliefs even though they still believe in the Quran and 1 God does not mean they will always conform to what YOUR personal interpretation / understanding / expectation of what Islam is. InshaaAllah you will have many very deep, philosophical and thought provoking discussions with your bride-to-be. I wish you all the best and much happiness inshaaAllah.

Is Mohammad Shaikh a Hadith Rejector?

Apparently, this video tries to imply he isn’t! I have known Mr Shaikh for the last 13 years and I have never known him to use hadith. To the Sunnis, this IS rejecting hadith. You don’t need to speak out against hadith. It’s enough for the Sunnis that you don’t accept their hadith.

Yahoo Answers – If hadith is essential to understand and practice Quran, then…?

Interesting discussion in Yahoo Answers today:

If hadith is essential to understand and practice Quran, then does that mean the Quran is useless without hadith?

We have lost many, many hadith to time, history and harsh recording circumstances of the past. We must have lost a HUGE deal of hadith. Does that mean we are possibly misunderstanding the Quran?

Why isn’t hadith protected if it’s the “key” to open the Quran’s treasures?

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Vaxoco Kabana – Why, I can relate!

2 days ago

seven8six – That doesn’t answer my question. Also, Hadith is not the same as Sunnah. 🙂
Thank you for answering though.

2 days ago

Dang!!! – I love the comment, but just wanted to point out that “hadith” is not always used in the Quran as useless information. The Quran itself is called “ahsanul hadith”, and there are many other cases such as, “did you hear of the hadith of Musa?”

2 days ago

anza m – Does that mean the Quran is not enough?

1 day ago

Omed – Thank you so much for clarifying it. However, I want to point out that those who accept hadith do not believe it’s the personal wish of Muhammed, but rather also revelation. At least I did when I used to be a Sunni.

They even quote the verses that say “He does not speak of wishes; it is but a revalation being revealed” which is obviously taken out of context. Many use that phrase to claim anything Prophet Muhammed ever said was a revelation (which hadith itself does not even support since it shows how the Prophet would sometimes give orders then fail or change his mind!).

I just want to ask them that, if hadith is wahi/revelation, then why didn’t Allah (st) bother to save and protect it?

1 day ago

Mushu – My Mushu, clever as usual!

Quran – I agree. 🙂

1 day ago

learnisl… – That’s such a new way to see it! Thanks! 🙂
My personal answer was this:
I like to ask this question:

Imagine you were the first caliph, Abu Bakr. Almost all the sahabas were around and the memories of the Prophet was still fresh. Of course being Abu Bakr you read the Quran and you know the message must be brought to the whole of humankind. So why didn’t you gather all the sahabas together and a produce a ‘compendium of the Prophet as authenticated by all the sahabas’. Why did we need Bukhari to come along 250 years to do the job the sahabas should have done in the first place? If hadith was crucial to the faith, it wouldn’t have been so carelessly handled. There is absolutely no doubt what is ‘The Quran’ yet among the Sunnis themselves, debates are going on about what are true hadith.

Answer: Because the sahabas were never concerned about hadith. They knew what was TRULY Islam.

Yahoo Answers – Following the Prophet = Following Hadith?

Interesting question in Yahoo Answers today:

I’m facing an internal stuggle about the concept of Quranist and I was wondering if someone could help me.

The quranist argument: My interest in the quranist theory is not to somehow “find a loophole to the strict rules of islam” or to find a way to “westernize islam.” My interest in the concept is to find the true and straight path. Growing up, I tended to ignore the hadith for two reasons, one because my language barrier made reading the hadith difficult and two, because I always felt inherently not attracted to the hadith. I always stuck to the Quran and whenever someone would argue or discuss something with me, I always found myself saying, show me the proof from the quran, but don’t cite the hadith. After a conversation the other day with someone about hadith, I decided that I would stick to the quran for religious guidance alone and I was surprised recently to discover there was a movement of people who felt the same thing– the “quranist movement”. My decision was based on the fact that I felt that hadith and tafsir could be corrupted and that God guaranteed the quran and the quran alone, not to mention that there is the paradox of the prophet (SWT) saying not to record hadith. If it would have been important to record the hadith, then wouldn’t the best of all people (the prophet and the companions) be the ones to record the hadith and not leave it up to people centuries later to try and compile the hadith. If the companions didn’t record the hadith, I feel like this is definitely a sign that hadith was not meant to be recorded. Besides, I feel like Allah (st) ordered muslims to think and that if you do think about the hadith some of it seems so unlogical and requires suspension of logic to follow it and worse, may even take you away from the straight path.

The traditional sunni islam argument: I do agree that in the quran allah instructed muslims to follow the prophet if they wanted guidance. How should we do that if not through the hadith?

Thank you so much for your help ahead of time. I’m not going to start following a certain movement, (because I feel that following a certain group/movement ends up leading people astray by narrowing your choices by forcing you to accept all the beliefs/thoughts of the group). I am intrigued by the concept of the quranist movement, using the quran alone to find spirtual guidance, and may decide to follow that path

My answer was: Does following the Prophet entail following hadith? Have a look at 10/15, the Prophet was commanded to have to said he follows only the Quran. So why don’t we just do the same thing?

Jibreel In Disguise

We had a new guy bring in a hadith in Quranology Discussions.  The hadith goes:

Abu Huraira reported: One day the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) appeared before the public that a man came to him and said: Prophet of Allah, (tell me) what is Iman. Upon this he (the Holy Prophet) replied: That you affirm your faith in Allah, His angels, His Books, His meeting, His Messengers and that you affirm your faith in the Resurrection hereafter. He (again) said: Messenger of Allah, (tell me) what does al-Islam signify. He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Al-Islam signifies that you worship Allah and do not associate anything with Him and you establish obligatory prayer and you pay the obligatory poor-rate (Zakat) and you observe the fast of Ramadan. He (the inquirer) again said: Messenger of Allah, what does al-Ihsan imply? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: That you worship Allah as if you are seeing Him, and in case you fail to see Him, then observe prayer (with this idea in your mind) that (at least) He is seeing you. He (the inquirer ) again said: Messenger of Allah, when would there be the hour (of Doom)? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: The one who is asked about it is no better informed than the inquirer. I, however, narrate some of its signs (and these are): when the slave-girl will give birth to he master, when the naked, barefooted would become the chiefs of the people – these are some of the signs of (Doom). (Moreover) when the shepherds of the black (camels) would exult themselves in buildings, this is one of the signs of (Doom). (Doom) is one of the five (happenings wrapped in the unseen) which no one knows but Allah. Then he (the Messenger of Allah) recited (the verse):” Verily Allah! with Him alone is the knowledge of the hour and He it is Who sends (down the rain) and knows that which is in the wombs and no person knows whatsoever he shall earn tomorrow, and a person knows not in whatsoever land he shall die. Verily Allah is Knowing, Aware. He (the narrator, Abu Huraira) said: Then the person turned back and went away. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Bring that man back to me. They (the Companions of the Holy Prophet present there) went to bring him back, but they saw nothing there. Upon this the Messenger of Allah remarked: he was Gabriel, who came to teach the people their religion.

My comment: Jibreel has 600 wings (from another hadith). How did he manage to stay unrecognised?!

Renae : Do the Ulema know the truth about Hadith

Renae asked a good question in QRAC today: … Do the people of knowledge in our Ummah, the Imams and such, know the truth of hadith? Do they know Hikmah does NOT refer to sunnah? Do they know all this and teach it anyway like the Priests, or do they truly and sincerely believe there is no Islam without the application of Hadith?

I don’t know for sure, personally.  To me, we should take them for their words. It’s really hard to judge someone’s inner experience 🙂