Quran Based Jummah Announcements


Thank you to Tatiana for this Announcement:

AsA everyone!!!! So sorry for the late notice, I got a little caught up with life… inshAllah, tomorrow we will be holding two Jummah sessions on Paltalk!!! Chatroom location is here: http://www.paltalk.com/g2/group/1421814718 The chat will be open tomorrow and while it is open you can easily find this chat room in paltalk.

First session is at ****10:30AM GMT*********

Second session is at ******20:00PM GMT****** (4PM EST)

Please join us tomorrow at either or BOTH times!!!!

*After tomorrow, we will be changing the name of the Jummah room to Quran Based Jummah, but the link will not change, it will be the same room, same link.

Salamun alaikum and good night all.

Additional from Imraan: Here is a short note that could be helpful if read before the Jummah talk on “What is Quran and how do we implement it?” on Friday.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/31518815/Quran%20Definition.pdf

 

more useful links

Quranists Network

Quranists Network Facebook groups

 

Three or Five prayers in the Quran?


A good question in QRAC

Three or Five prayers in the Qur’an? Tell me what you all think and why. How many prayers do you observe, what times, and where does the Qur’an support your thought? Please be polite to each other because this is a touchy and personal subject. Thanks!

my reply:

What does Salat mean?

In Traditional Islam “Salat” means the Ritual Prayer which I am guessing most ppl here are familiar with – apologies if that is not the case.

In Quranism, some Quranists agree that “Salat” means ritual prayer. The ritual prayer may look similar but certain speech parts may be omitted from this, such as the “Tashahhud” . Some ppl question the number of Rakats and the strict sequence of standing bowing and prostrations.

Other Quranists believe that Salat means something else – maybe their own personal interpretation based on how the concept of Salat is described in context in the Quran and how the Quranic Arabic uses the verbs and nouns of words coming from the root of “Salat”. There are neverending discussions about this in QD and people are researching and contributing to discussions about it all the time.

The salats mention by name in the Quran are Salat al Fajr, and Salat al Isha, Which are commonly taken to mean Dawn Prayer and Isha Prayer or Dawn Salat and Isha Salat. Some do not even take Fajr to mean Dawn as a time of day – more of a metaphorical interpretation based on what the root word of the FAJR suggests. Each question raises new questions. It can be as in depth or as easy as you want, really! The easy way is to let someone else interpret for you!

There is also a Salat al wusta mentioned – again some people take this to be a time of day (wusta being often translated as the Middle Prayer) and others take it in a more metaphorical sense (“the prayer from the midmost of your soul” for example) or the “salat from within” .

24:58 ṣalati l-fajri,
24:58 ṣalati l-ʿishāi.

2:238 wal-ṣalati l-wus’ṭā,

Times of day in Quran: http://search.quranaddict.co.uk/search/label/timings

Hope that helps, inshaaAllah. Not my intention to confuse or mislead – we all should verify everything ourselves. (see 17:36)

Here is the link to QD for more indepth discussions about Salat http://www.facebook.com/groups/quranology/

This link is very interesting: http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/disproved_traditional_salat.htm

Some Dua’s:
https://quranistvoices.wordpress.com/tag/dua/

When something gets complicated it’s probably because we are trying too hard! The answer is probably really obvious, it’s just that we can’t see for looking! It does not help that the traditions and hadiths have clouded our judgement and perceptions.

Update: This page is a list of different Quranist’s perspectives / articles about Salat

Some thoughts on “Salat timings”


If one uses 30:17 or 20:130 to justify a Magrib salaat where the word salaat is not mentioned and neither is the word “magrib” – (the word is “Fasubhana” ), then one should also by the same logic conclude that there is a “Bukratan” salaat after fajr and before midday – see 48:9 and 33:42 even though the word salaat is not there either.

If one concludes that Bukratan is just another word for Fajr, don’t forget “Ghuduwi” in 13:15 and “Ishraq” in 38:18 and “ibkar” in 40:55

Again salaat not mentioned but if one uses 30:17 and says it means salaat, then the the same logic should really also be applied.

I suppose it could be argued that all the “morning” words refer to Fajr. So that (to me) would make all the afternoon/evening ones (asila in 48:9 and 33:42) referring to Isha. Unfortunately the logic cannot work both ways (for me).

Jumma is the salat of the Hajj?


Our very own Imraan Goondiwala brought up this question in Quranology Discussions:

I have heard that there is opinion out there that the salat of al jumuah may refer to salat at the time of hajj. Does anybody know of any material on this opinion?

Well i’ve never read any opinion of this myself. I havent even seen any aya which links salat and hajj. Is the hajj the gathering or the overcoming of the challenge (hajj) which then gives u the capacity to call ‘with the hajj’ (bil hajj, see 22/27)?

Articles


Here are some articles from the  mypercept site, from one of our anonymous / uncredited contributors.

1st published online in 1997, revised in 2002.
Does God Exist?
http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/Does_God_Exist_home.htm
(Originally written when I was 16, hence later revised. Still a very unique article.)

About 1999.
Is The Bible God’s Unadulterated Word?
http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/errors_mistakes_bible.htm

About 2000.
The Intelligent Approach to Islam
http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/Intelligent_Approach_to_Islam.htm
(Centres around some simple observations.)

About 2000.
The Quran: clear, complete, detailed and explained?
http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/Quran_clear_complete_detailed_explained.htm

About 2000.
The Word Hadith in The Quran
http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/Hadith_in_Quran.htm

About 2002.
A summary of the book “Rethinking Tradition in Modern Islamic Thought” by Daniel Brown.
http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/Rethinking_Tradition_Modern_Islamic_Thought.htm
(Briefly reviews the history of hadith/sunnah within Islam. Good introduction to the topic.)

About 2004.
An understanding of salat from Al Quran
http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/slw.htm
(Very simple article about a very simple idea.)

May 2005.
Disproved once and for all: salat = prayer
http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/disproved_traditional_salat.htm